Alibaba says Qwen4 is in training as later model roadmap stretches to 10 trillion parameters

Alibaba says Qwen4 is in training as later model roadmap stretches to 10 trillion parameters

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2026-09-22 07:22:21
Alibaba used its annual Apsara Conference in Hangzhou to lay out a broad AI and infrastructure roadmap, centered on the next generation of its Qwen models. The company said Qwen4 is now in training, while later releases in the line, including Qwen4.5 and Qwen5, are expected to scale to between 5 trillion and 10 trillion parameters. Alibaba also shared updates on recursive self-improvement, saying Qwen3.8-Max completed 33 iterations over more than a month of fully automated operation and improved its Artificial Analysis score from 40 to 45. In a chip-design experiment, the model reportedly ran self-improvement for more than 60 hours, called EDA tools over 10,000 times, produced a production-grade chip bus module, and cut chip area by 42% without changing performance. On the hardware side, Alibaba affiliate T-Head unveiled the Zhenwu V900 AI processor, which it said delivers three times the performance of the Zhenwu M890 launched in May. Alibaba also introduced a new audio model, previewed an image model due later this year, released a cross-app agent platform for smartphone makers, and set a 2032 target of more than 20GW in global data center capacity for Alibaba Cloud.

Alibaba used its annual Apsara Conference in Hangzhou on Sept. 22 to outline the next steps for its Qwen model family, saying Qwen4 is now in training and that later generations could expand to 5 trillion to 10 trillion parameters, according to the company’s official release.

Qwen roadmap moves beyond the current generation

Alibaba said the next model in the series, Qwen4, is already being trained. It added that the follow-up Qwen4.5 and Qwen5 families are expected to scale further, with planned parameter counts in the 5 trillion to 10 trillion range.

CNBC reported that Alibaba shares rose about 3% in Hong Kong on Sept. 22.

Alibaba details recursive self-improvement results for Qwen3.8-Max

The company also published an update on what it called recursive self-improvement, or RSI, driven by real-world feedback. Alibaba said Qwen3.8-Max ran fully automatically for more than a month, covering process design, data validation, repeated experiments and error diagnosis, and completed 33 iterations.

Using autonomous training optimization and post-training techniques, the model improved its Artificial Analysis score from 40 to 45, according to Alibaba.

In one chip-design experiment, the model kept improving itself for more than 60 hours across the full design workflow, called EDA tools more than 10,000 times, and produced a production-grade chip bus module. Alibaba said the result reduced chip area by 42% while keeping performance unchanged.

Audio, image and mobile agent products were also unveiled

Beyond the flagship model roadmap, Alibaba introduced Qwen-Audio-3.1-TTS-Next, a new audio generation model that can create a full soundscape from a text script in one pass, including dialogue and ambient sound. The company said the model is aimed at audiobooks, film and television, podcasts and games.

Alibaba also said Qwen-Image 3.1, an image generation model focused on e-commerce marketing and creative design, is scheduled for release later this year. It introduced Qwen Intelligence as well, a platform for smartphone makers that supports complex tasks across multiple apps.

T-Head launches Zhenwu V900 AI chip

Alibaba chip design affiliate T-Head unveiled the Zhenwu V900, an AI processor for training and inference. The company said it delivers three times the performance of the previous-generation Zhenwu M890 released in May.

Zhenwu V900 comes with 216 GB of graphics memory and 1,200 GB per second of inter-chip bandwidth, and supports multiple precision formats including FP8 and FP4. T-Head said the chip is scheduled to enter mass production and commercial deployment in the first quarter of 2027.

T-Head also said Zhenwu chips now serve more than 650 customers across sectors including automotive, finance, large language models, embodied intelligence, energy and manufacturing.

Server scale-up, CPU roadmap and data center target

Alibaba also introduced an upgraded supernode server integrating Zhenwu V900. The system can support supernode clusters with as many as 500,000 cards, the company said.

It also laid out a CPU roadmap for 2027. Within that plan, Yitian 730 is described as the first CPU based on a self-developed T-Head microarchitecture, with SPECint2017 performance per GHz up to 40% higher than Yitian 710.

Alibaba Chief Executive Officer Eddie Wu said in his speech, 「Today, the total amount of machine thinking is less than 3% of human thinking. If it eventually scales to 1,000 times that of humans, a simple calculation shows there is still enormous room for machine thinking to grow.」 He added that Alibaba’s target is for Alibaba Cloud’s globally operated data center capacity to exceed 20GW by 2032.

According to CNBC, Wu also compared the current stage of AI development to the early days of electrification and said, 「AI coding is only the light bulb of the machine intelligence era.」

Alibaba Group Chairman Joe Tsai said the theme of this year’s conference is “Intelligence Goes Beyond.” He said AI has substantial development potential, can be deployed and scaled in real-world scenarios, and can lift productivity across industries. He said the theme is meant to steer AI from technical breakthroughs toward value creation.

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